Out of stock. But rules of thumb aren't perfect, and plenty of cartridges use charges from 55 grains to 65 grains .30-06, .270 Win. 200 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. The following are with 75 grains of Reloader 19. . They are very similar in their rate of propagation. Testing 16 primer types was a huge task we commend Laurie for his hard work and thoroughness. Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. 0000010068 00000 n
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18,4. These primers use a heavier, thicker cup to withstand the more intense small-cased rifle cartridges such as the .222 and .223 Remingtons. Remington AmmunitionRemington Large Rifle Magnum Primers #9-1/2M Box of 1000. CCI "APS" Large Pistol Primers Strip No. use the Brisance chart to adjust the powder charge to a safe level. Free Shipping Eligible! This would give us some sort of idea of how they perform in endstream
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of those horrible looking plastic stocks. Interesting read, thanks! Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. Depending on your needs and expectations, they may be worth the extra cost. What is the pressure of a .44mag? If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important new article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine.Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different . average velocities and MV consistency. . 210 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. My .338 RUM likes 100 grains of H1000 behind a 225-grain Nosler Partition bullet. We thought we would run our own test, using all the different primers that we have here. This may be the most comprehensive and thorough LR primer test ever done. Thats counter-intuitive and its odd that Rems were at opposite ends of the speed spectrum among ALL primers tested. Great info. This is the home made tester. $109.99: 42 wks ago: Notify: Grafs: Fiocchi Primer Large Rifle 1 500/bx. 3.8-4.8 .3218, 12 KVB 7 LR Russian 4.27 3.8-4.8 .2213, 13 Rem 91/2 (30 yrs old) 4.16 3.8-4.8 .3427, 14 Rem LP 4.47
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CCI No. Compare Compare Now. New. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I hear ya. We picked this load because it shot reasonably Remington 7 - The only primer specifically marketed by Remington as "benchrest" quality. But if you cant spare the time right now, here are some highlights below: Primer with Lowest Velocity: Remington 9 M Magnum (2780 fps) The test stand used in the link would be a good way to do this because it doesn't need powder and only measures the primer itself. BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Cartridge Primer Size . 0000028040 00000 n
That article featured actual pressures changes in identical charge weights using Lake City Match brass, Sierra 168 grain Match Kings and 40.5 grains of IMR-4895. And small you have Magnum. #34 and #41 are military primer designations for large and small rifle primers, respectively. SPM = Small Pistol Mag . Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. Another unexpected finding was that with all of the 17-round strings halted for 15 or more minutes for barrel cooling between shots 10 and 11, in over half of the strings shot 11 produced a (low) MV that was out of the range of the others and had to be discounted. How critical is the primer seating mechanism? (As a note of interest, small pistol primers are .017" thick and large pistol primers are .020" thick.) Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Does anyone have any information regarding the characteristics of S & B primers and how they compare to the other primer brands described above? Ive since rerun the series with .308 Win Palma brass and small primers. Therefore choose based on other factors, such as accuracy, low ES/SD, cost, cup hardness . Makes me think about some BR4 primers for my 6.5x47L over the #400. 506 0 obj
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Stronger hit is probably more consistent. hb```,? CCI 400 primers are designed for .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, and .222 Remington loads: NOT for .223 Remington! I have to wonder if the lack of hard data comes from the manufacturers not wanting to be held to some yahoo's feeble attempts to "prove they cheated me" with craptasticly bad "testing." _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']);
PSA 300blk with some off brand remanufactered ammo. All 3 round with the RWS primer had hang fired. One new winner* is announced every week! The only thing they changed was the primer. A few were of 50 when limited amounts were available. Remington Shotshell Primer All Gauges. CCI 350 Magnum Large Pistol Primers 100-Pack $ 6 99 6 dollars 99 cents. I'm am not doing this again! In part 1 of my Large Rifle Comparison I take a look at each manufacturer's particular primer and give a quick overview. Primer with Biggest Group Size: CBC Magtech 9 (0.7 average, three 5-shot groups). Leupold LPS 3.5-14X scope in Sako mounts on it. It was such a tedious task that I abandoned my original plan of also doing pistol primers. Very good read. I am currently shooting CCI BR2 primers in my .25-06, but feel like I may not be shooting a hot enough primer. Store For Availability. we will try it to see how it performs. This is an important test, with significant findings. We know that major seating faults definitely have an effect, but do minor variations in seating tension too? Three shot groups. Firing pin strength also seems to be a definite factor. 6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. This keeps grains of powder out of the flash hole. 091014. Shotgun (209) CCI - 209. I took four large pistol primers (CCI 300's), four large rifle primers (CCI 200's) and four large rifle bench rest primers (CCI BR-2's) and measured the width and depth of all three primer types. Differences between primers are not equal - adjacent primers may be almost identical or much hotter/cooler. It will still fire, but they get fliers and open groups. Thanks ! The rifle has a 26-inch barrel. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. 0000007461 00000 n
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This is on a DMS (don't mean squat) scale. The Wolf Small rifle with the copper cup I've had failure to fire with my light striking bolt guns, but they go bang every time in my ar15. Three shot groups. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. The average group size for the top six primers varied by only 0.10 (0.43 to 0.53), so one cant conclude that one type is much better than another. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. Primer Testing Reference. endstream
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If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine. All the following loads were with the Berger 85 grain The shot is fired against a weight which in turn moves a pointer. Three shot On the one hand, it's a shame that we don't have better information about primers. All Primers have a different Brisance. bullet, 55 grains of Reloader 19, in Winchester brass. The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a I suspect they have a minor influence, but thats hunch not science! Thanks again for the excellent write-up and work! This testing was done to try and rank primers by power (brisance). The following loads with 63 grains of H870, same bullet and might make it easier to compare the velocity at normal temperature and cold here that there is nothing scientific about this experiment. The military imposes specific upper and lower sensitivity limits. We have found the following primers in our possession. CCI 300 STD Large Rifle Primers - 100 Ct. No media assets available for preview. These primers are designed for everything from small-caliber rifles and handguns to the large-caliber rifles . WSL. Large rifle primers - which measure about .128 inches in height and .212 inches in width. Let us start with Large Rifle Primers (LRP) vs Large Pistol Primers (LPP). Compare Compare Now. Cameron. That said, I had heard the CCI 450's and #41's were basically the same so I was searching for differences and found these post's. In other words, the steps were small indeed. grains in, or a variety of combinations). The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. And, NO! 0000000016 00000 n
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It is relative to this set of tests and this tester. Great article/op. Federal Gold Medal Large Magnum Rifle Primer - 100 Ct. $9.39. And get this, among ALL the primers tested, Rem 9M Magnum primers produced the lowest velocity, while Rem 9 LR (non-magnum) primers yielded the highest velocity. The cartridge remains one of the few standard-issue rimmed . His varmint bullets are absolutely fantastic. primers could be tested at different temperatures under the same conditions to see if temperatures made any difference. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
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Large rifle primers are 0.008" thicker than a large pistol primer. Federal Champion No. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. We re While searching around for some info I stumbled on to this thread and its too good not to share. %%EOF
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Add to Wishlist. You must log in or register to reply here. So my question is whether you would expect to see a very similar trend among the primers you tested with other cartridges and/or bullet weights commonly used in F-TR or F-Open? 6 rounds with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of P. Plinker147 Well . You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. mounts. Add to cart. Sep 9, 2009. Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. It is a standard factory rifle, that came with one The following loads were with 48 grains of VVN 550 powder, 14 Likes. Winchester works to make sure all primers are reliable, instant and precise. $7.99. If you used my "Benchmark/Baseline/95% Solution" load method, you'd know in a few shots if your new primer choice was hotter, cooler or the same. They used the same hulls, the same powder, powder charge, shot, shot charge, wad, and reloaded them on the same reloader. 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351. 0000027119 00000 n
As Slamfire said, the #34 and #41 military hard primers likely will be more constant. The following loads were shot in a Remington 700 chambered Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. WSL. (Heat) and cause different powders to react differently. work up a load from a safe, published starting load. Must add the Remington License Plate Frame to your cart, one per order. JavaScript is disabled. 0000014925 00000 n
- All the large rifle primers measured have the same thickness. once fired Weatherby brass and the Sierra 190-grain Match King bullet, molly CCI BR2 and the Fed 's were the most even of the common ones. 0000015151 00000 n
is a double base powder, same bullet and brass. CCI "APS" Large Rifle Primers Strip . 2 Winchester WAALite 37 VihtaVuori N340. A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. I found this a while back but it seems it goes against the Win primers being hotter than the CCI. Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. 506 42
Different Primers On The Load. The US industry standards for Boxer primers are: Small pistol and rifle diameter: .175" Small pistol and rifle height: .110" Large pistol and rifle diameter: .210" Large pistol height: .110" Large rifle height: .120" At the factory, primer cups are cut out of a sheet of material much like a giant cookie cutter where they look much like a small . The following are with 92 grains of H 870, same bullet and trailer
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To date, the best I approach have seen is that it is wise to have several primers that cover a range of brisance and simply test them empirically to find the one that works best with a particular load. .2232, 16 CCI 300 LP 3.18
I use cci 400 for my AR with great success ! Thanks, DR. Does this indicate that one primer creates more pressure for about the same velocity or does this mean that some primers will withstand more pressure before showing signs of failure? The Test. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. Reloaders know that primers come in various designations: large pistol vs small pistol, large rifle vs small rifle, etc. And standard both Magnum. the 3 frozen overnight. Three shot groups. Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer: Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. Freedom Is Never Free. 547 0 obj
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We are here to talk about primers. And real standardization. One (minor) reason that small primer brass may be better than many standard LR types is that it usually noticeably easier to seat SR primers and to get good feel on their contacting the pocket floor. Found this from offsite search, exactly the information I need. Compare Compare Now. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. %PDF-1.4
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2.6-3.5 .2090, 18 Fed Match GM150M 3.05 2.6-3.7 .2299. These are the links to the two pages, directly. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. What is the pressure of a .44mag? $7.30. Well done gentlemen, Share the post "Ultimate Large Rifle Primer Shoot-Out 16 Types Tested". startxref
Primer with Lowest ES/SD: Sellier & Bellot LR (12/3.1 fps) With those caveats: Forgot to add: there is no difference between the Fed 210 and the 210M except that the 210M is their match primer. Almost forgot, Saeed has some data too http://www.accuratereloading.com/primer.html, ------------------"it is up to God to judge these terrorists; it is up to us to arrange their meeting" Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, [This message has been edited by R-WEST (edited 02-09-2002).]. http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=56422.0, http://www.mpzflame.ru/production/primers/, www.sinclairintl.com/product/11248/Primer-Pocket-Tools, https://www.rcbs.com/priming/bench-mounted/automatic-priming-tool/16-9460.html, The Snobbiest Town in The Snobbiest State in the N, Fiocchi, Ginex, Murow Small Rifle Primers, Experience 223 Remington. Mother of All LR Primer Tests The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a load have been discussed many times before. Get a Federal Dry Bag for $2 with ammo purchase. 2847 0 obj
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Since these were readily available, I chose these two primers for use in this test. So what's the difference? I load those in hornet 222 220 swift and other varmint calibers. The biggest surprise to me came from an elderly (at least 10 years) lot of Czech Sellier & Bellot standard caps with an ES of 12 and SD of 3.1 fps, way below those of the nearest competitor. I learned Cci 400 and cci 550 are the same! McMillan synthetic stock. You will have match. were very even, but this was a limited lot and they are not widely available. Which is better for muzzleloading, large rifle primers or 209 primers?There are many different types of muzzleloader ignit. test, using all the different primers that we have here. I cannot http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/77010865, http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=654&id=50, http://www.accuratereloading.com/primer.html. Can you in. One of the frozen rounds with the CCI BR 2 hang fired. CCI Aps BR2 Large Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. The one published by "precision shooting" is posted at the following link: http://www.prfelr0.f2s.com/prfelr0/ click on primer 1 and primer2. CCI Bench Rest Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $199.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: CCI; Item Number: 10 BK; CCI Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $149.99; Notify Me When Available; . only the velocity is the average of the three groups above it. Both are roughly the same diameter. It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. LP = Large Pistol LPM = Large Pistol Mag SR = Small Rifle LR = Large Rifle LRM = Large Rifle Mag BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Primer Size and Bullet Diameter Chart - 2 4050 S. Clark, Mexico, MO 65265 www.grafs.com 800-531-2666 32 Short Colt .313 SP 32 Winchester Special .321 LR 32-20 WCF .312 SR 32-40 WCF .320 LR 325 Winchester Short . It was also years ago and things may have changed. . Air Rifle Accessories Air Rifle Bags Air Rifle Magazines Air Rifle Pellets Air Rifle Targets Air Rifles Co2 Air Rifles Hunting Air Rifles PCP Air Rifles Package Deals Target & Youth Air Rifles; Airsoft. I have never looked at primers apart from reliability. All the following groups were 3 shots at 100 yards, I wrote The Rem's had some very wild shots high and low. In that post, Hoogs mentions that even a CCI Large Rifle Magnum left a noticeable amount of unburnt powder in his 460 loads using W296. This is interesting, according to this, Federal Gold Metal MatchKing 308 ammo should not be shot in a AR10 or 308 platform. I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. Lyman & Nosler classify this as a standard primer, but Hornady, Handloads.com, and Chuck Hawks classify it as a small rifle magnum primer. Thanks. I don't have a link to the site , but 6mmbench rest.com or one of those type sites have extensive pages on standard primers.
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