Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. Our situation was kind of complicated. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. And what does it mean our 12th. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. Just not what I wanted to hear. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. I feel like I never want tk part from this man. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. This places can even indicate psychic ability. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. or sth. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. Lilith in 8 th house composite. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another. Good luck. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. or is it irrelevant ? How that manifests depends on other aspects. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. What is your thought on this. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? The same person I've had mutual 12th house synastry with has sun in 12th house composite with me. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. Could be a seperation. Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. Dear Dawn, Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. The Composite Sun Through the Houses. I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. cheers:). I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. Lilith may help 12th house to bring their subconscious patterns to light, or do the opposite and evoke more fear. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? 13 . Weve known each other for a decade??? Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. I dont know whether this situation is karma? Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Its not special, its common. Please your opinion. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. what can we do here? I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. This is brilliant and compassionate. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. Im glad youre enjoying it. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. Juno is also important. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. Greetings. Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. It is composed of the combined midpoints of each person's planets and angles. Lilith in the 3rd House: Those with Lilith in the 3rd house may have a dark sense of humor, be into alternative or shocking entertainment & literature, while they have the capability of being fantastic liars. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. It also governs much, much more, however. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Who cares? And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. Your email address will not be published. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. Beautiful article!! We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. What should i do? Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. I have met my match. Could I ask Your opinion? i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. Learn how your comment data is processed. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. These are just a few of the synastry aspects. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. Im sorry to hear your story. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. Saturn and Pluto also play their part. My english is not very good. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. It contains everything and nothing . Hey Dawn! There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. It has been a very long journey! This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. You might have a relationship that was so intense, which left you hurting. great post- thank you! Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. how this would manifest? This depends on how well Lilith energy is being handled in the synastry and natal chart. Is Your experience the same? Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Hi Dawn. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. In Astrology, the planet Venus represents compassion, cooperation, beauty, and the Arts. The sixth and the eighth house are also karmic houses. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. along with Juno. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. 12th House Meaning. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? As a 8th house sun Virgo 8th Venus Leo I am sure this adds to my sexual nature. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. Your relationship usually starts out as a friendship or as "good friends". Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. I am sufficiently haunted. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. Together we share a Mars 12th. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. Its part of me. Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. It depends on your Venus ' condition. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? More appreciative of that special melding? A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. They feel invisible or alone. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. (excuse my bad English) I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! We are fated, but we are meant to part. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. so we find the True in each other. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. 4 months passed since then. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. How ironic! In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. But thank you for helping me face reality. . hello, nice article Dawn. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. Im not quick to say its an illusion, but its not quite real either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that arent really true. Thank you, Tricia. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. What is the best approach? this is honestly so beautiful to read.